Re: [iPad] FBI's secret method of unlocking iPhone may never reach Apple

 

Understood, I think!



From: "David Smith david.smith.14916@gmail.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] FBI's secret method of unlocking iPhone may never reach Apple

 

The problem, Tony - well, a problem - is that the FBI is part of government, for which the only motivations are power and control.  The FBI is a domestic-police branch of government (alas, it's hardly the only domestic-police branch), and therefore its only motivation, likewise, is power.  Within the FBI, "public security" considerations are subsidiary to power-and-control considerations.  Indeed, public security is defined only in terms of power and control.  The clear government message in this most recent public face-off has been, "We're the government, and we have way more power than you".

This public kerfuffle has been media theater.  The technical issues have been little exposed by the media, and to the extent that they have been openly hinted at there, they've been almost entirely ignored.

The underlying issues are issues of philosophy and technology, and they're vitally important, but don't expect the media to help you understand that and think it through, or even to recognize it.  The internet, on the other hand, is a fine tool for research and debate.  But, unlike the media, it won't come to you.




On Apr 1, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Tony tdale@xtra.co.nz [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Apple runs a business where the sole reason is to make money, thats fine. They don't wish to compromise their security, thats also fine. Security is one of many reasons why Apple's products are desirable. 

The FBI also runs a business, national security. It has means to covertly spy on private information so that it can exercise its role in helping national security. Is it fair to expect them to disclose information so that a means of access gets blocked, thereby cutting into their business at hand? Is it their role to help Apple increase their security on their devices? Should the FBI also disclose to other enterprises what they are doing, so that those enterprises can block the FBI? May as well remove the FBI, if they are decreed to hand over any information they have so that it can be used to block them. 



From: "Jim Saklad jimdoc@icloud.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] FBI's secret method of unlocking iPhone may never reach Apple

 
> Makes sense. Apple withheld, so the FBI will play the same game. Tit for tat.

No, it doesn't.

The FBI *demanded*, via court order, that Apple create software that did not exits.

Apple is *asking* that the FBI reveal the nature of a flaw/vulnerability *that they already know about*.

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