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I just want something easy to use and the iPad fits that bill. I could care less what it looks like and I don't mind being called one of the illiterate masses. To me, the iPad is simplicity at its best.
Pete <--- illiterate? Maybe but I also have to consider the source.
--- In iPad@yahoogroups.com, Charles Carroll <911@...> wrote:
>
> I think the masses just want a decent look Android and iPad look decent or
> even excellent.
>
> But take a look at any Windows 8 screen i.e.
> windows 8 ui
> android ui
> ipad ui
>
> and see how primitive the Win 8 look is. I can think of nothing more
> damning to how substandard the look is then:
> http://www.ekoob.com/print-from-windows-8-apps-11839/
> scroll down and look at the screen shots. In fact just look at:
> http://www.ekoob.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/windows-8-printers.png
> and ask yourself if you presented such a Dialog Box to your boss in a web
> page or a Dialog in a Windows app/iPad app/Adroid app if you would keep
> your job.
>
> Its really crude and primitive and that is NOT up for debate. No use of
> color at all on devices with 16 million and 32 million colors. The printers
> are so bare bones surely MS could afford some stock art?
>
> Compare it to say one of the Dialogs they inherited from Windows 7 i.e.
> http://www.win2pdf.com/doc/index.html?install-windows-8-pdf-printer.htm
> and see how crude things have become. Even on a cell phone they have lots
> of colors and pixels to be more pleasing to the eye they are disredarding.
>
> take a look at:
> http://microsoft-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/windows-8-metro-ui-tweaker.bmp
> as well notice how the buttons do not look like buttons at all it is quite
> a UI gaffe.
>
> I can see why even Ballmer who is a nitwit realized Sinofsky needed to be
> fired if he thinks this kind of amateur stuff is ok to ship and sales
> reflected that see:
> http://semiaccurate.com/2013/04/11/idc-shows-windows-8-is-actively-destroying-pc-sales/
> http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/14/microsoft-has-failed/
> MS partners and magazines in their ecosystem dare not say what these
> articles say because reprisals can and will be harsh.
> Me I am a fan of Windows 7, through perfer Mac OS X as of late and just
> boot to Win7/Win8 on my Macbook. I used to think Windows Blue would salvage
> the Win8 debacle but Blue does not do the dozens of things that are needed
> and what it claims it does do (for example restoring a "start button" but
> not the "start meny of apps" which everyone actually wants) so that has
> little hope because the culture of the past decade at MS has created many
> Sinofskys who think they are the 'smartest folks who can outcompete anyone'
> but actually are so uninformed about how far and fast their competitors are
> ahead and constantly updating they barely compete with the 1.x releases of
> competitors who are 6 or more major/minor versions along and building whole
> ecosystems/worlds/galaxys of apps/contents/partners/customers whereas MS
> has a tiny bit of AstroTurf they pretend is a whole planet and galaxy.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Tony <tdale@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Charles, your comments on the cheesy look and colour pallettes is
> > interesting.
> >
> > To me, it is like MS decided to make a GUI for the IT illiterate masses,
> > and those that use social networking, and I think it works well for that
> > demographic. But what about the professionals, the businesses, and the IT
> > literate users who prefer real work than Facebook and Xbox Live??
> >
> > Giving 2 or 3 boot themes for differing demographics would have made Win 8
> > popular. When desktop computers are in decline due to laptops and tablets,
> > alienating users was a poor choice.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Charles Carroll <911@...>
> > *To:* iPad <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 April 2013 9:19 AM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [iPad] Re: Win8
> >
> >
> > Yes I have been using Windows Professionally since 1.0, I did not even own
> > a Mac till August this year (though I have always used them and read up on
> > them)..
> >
> >
> > I have read up on File Recovery, File History, and I know Restore Points
> > like the back of my hand, Shadow Copies, and Windows Backup very well and
> > they seem to have a lot of issues. The native backup options are unreliable
> > in a number of real world situations due to the low standards MS engineers
> > have for "just works" at least for all the articles I read on people that
> > have trouble restoring or run into backup error messages all the time.
> >
> > The fact that Microsoft has 5 things to do and it is not clear how they
> > differ and how complete each is, and they fail often in the real world and
> > what the Mac does is just plug in a drive and press "On"
> > is just an example of how bad things have gotten under a decade of
> > Ballmer. Gates used to really change things and react and copy and improve
> > on competitors. Ballmer is an ostrich with head in sand and lets the geeks
> > run the show and they think if someone wants to do something it should
> > involve many steps, and should have many options some of which totally ruin
> > the experience, then blame the user for choosing THAT option.
> >
> > An example of the difference in their style is Gates had Macs, used
> > Oracle, used PenPoint, etc. so he could see what the competitors did and
> > make sure next versions of MS Products were better than these competitors.
> > Ballmer refuses to use the competitors, and forbids his family and MS
> > employees from using these competitors. His kids can not own iPods for
> > example. You can't copy and improve on what you don't use and don't respect.
> >
> > As for Windows 8 it is 100 x worse than people say. If you are a
> > connoisseur of software it is hard to believe how bad the UI dialogs look
> > (the main screen may or may not look cheezy as a matter of taste I think
> > iPad and Android look better) dialogs like choosing a printer are one color
> > backgrounds with white line art that looks like chalk and buttons do not
> > even look like buttons. In an attempt to be opposite from Apple's
> > Skeuomorphism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeuomorph they reacted by not
> > using 16 or 32 color palletes and not using any of the standard Win UI
> > looks for buttons, checkmarks, etc. it is very hard to see the grouping of
> > controls or even what type a control is (checkbox, radio, button) it is
> > just really minimalist and indistinguishable.
> >
> > As for backups I continue my quest for a backup that works with one click
> > for backup and restore and can restore files to specific versions. I do
> > understand that in Mac the 3rd party backups are a bit more reliable and
> > complete than Time Machine and backup my BootCamp well and I am gravitating
> > for those for perfect Mac Backups but Time Machine seems durn impressive
> > compared to the confusing Windows options.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bob Cook <BobandMary@...> wrote:
> >
> > **
> >
> > Charles,
> > There are two options in Win8, File recovery and Windows Backup. And
> > Restore Points too, and easier for novices to use. I don't use Time Macine
> > on my Macs so I can't comment on it. However, some reviews claim the MS
> > options at least as good.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, December 12, 2012, Charles Carroll <911@...> wrote:
> >
> > **
> >
> > I withdraw my earlier praise for Windows 8 "History Vault" which has
> > been renamed to "File Restore" and has so little capability it is truly a
> > joke:
> >
> >
> > http://www.howtogeek.com/123713/how-windows-8s-backup-system-differs-from-windows-7s/<http://www.howtogeek..com/123713/how-windows-8s-backup-system-differs-from-windows-7s/>
> >
> > Viva La Time Machine. File Restore is just a very poor tool that deals
> > with almost no important 'my drive crashed' backup issues. And no
> > 'something messed up my settings let me restore the machine to a past
> > working point' (which MS has always had with system restore but its a risky
> > not miraculous feature.
> >
> > I cannot believe they have a team so dumb they released this crippled 'do
> > almost nothing' nightmare. Microsoft has a long history of copying
> > competitors with some success so I assumed Time Machine would be copied and
> > be slightly worse for some things and slightly better for others. They
> > truly have such a misguided team they don't even copy good technology
> > anymore. Sad.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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