Re: [iPad] Re: Win8

 

Strong words!
 
I do agree in part, but I feel that MS missed by offering a UI to one demographic. What about the businesses and those who don't live by social networking? They should have had themes to suit the variety of demographics.
 
As to the UI, I feel it isn't that bad. It is cleaner. There isn't a need to display 32 M colours in menus. But again, theme it.

From: Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com>
To: iPad <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Re: Win8
 
I think the masses just want a decent look Android and iPad look decent or even excellent.
 
But take a look at any Windows 8 screen i.e.
windows 8 ui
android ui
ipad ui
 
and see how primitive the Win 8 look is. I can think of nothing more damning to how substandard the look is then:
http://www.ekoob.com/print-from-windows-8-apps-11839/
scroll down and look at the screen shots. In fact just look at:
and ask yourself if you presented such a Dialog Box to your boss in a web page or a Dialog in a Windows app/iPad app/Adroid app if you would keep your job.
 
Its really crude and primitive and that is NOT up for debate. No use of color at all on devices with 16 million and 32 million colors. The printers are so bare bones surely MS could afford some stock art?
 
Compare it to say one of the Dialogs they inherited from Windows 7 i.e.
http://www.win2pdf.com/doc/index.html?install-windows-8-pdf-printer.htm
and see how crude things have become. Even on a cell phone they have lots of colors and pixels to be more pleasing to the eye they are disredarding.
 
as well notice how the buttons do not look like buttons at all it is quite a UI gaffe.
 
I can see why even Ballmer who is a nitwit realized Sinofsky needed to be fired if he thinks this kind of amateur stuff is ok to ship and sales reflected that see:
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/14/microsoft-has-failed/ MS partners and magazines in their ecosystem dare not say what these articles say because reprisals can and will be harsh.
Me I am a fan of Windows 7, through perfer Mac OS X as of late and just boot to Win7/Win8 on my Macbook. I used to think Windows Blue would salvage the Win8 debacle but Blue does not do the dozens of things that are needed and what it claims it does do (for example restoring a "start button" but not the "start meny of apps" which everyone actually wants) so that has little hope because the culture of the past decade at MS has created many Sinofskys who think they are the 'smartest folks who can outcompete anyone' but actually are so uninformed about how far and fast their competitors are ahead and constantly updating they barely compete with the 1.x releases of competitors who are 6 or more major/minor versions along and building whole ecosystems/worlds/galaxys of apps/contents/partners/customers whereas MS has a tiny bit of AstroTurf they pretend is a whole planet and galaxy.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
 
Charles, your comments on the cheesy look and colour pallettes is interesting.To me, it is like MS decided to make a GUI for the IT illiterate masses, and those that use social networking, and I think it works well for that demographic. But what about the professionals, the businesses, and the IT literate users who prefer real work than Facebook and Xbox Live?? Giving 2 or 3 boot themes for differing demographics would have made Win 8 popular. When desktop computers are in decline due to laptops and tablets, alienating users was a poor choice.


From: Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com>
To: iPad <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Re: Win8
 
Yes I have been using Windows Professionally since 1.0, I did not even own a Mac till August this year (though I have always used them and read up on them)..

I have read up on File Recovery, File History, and I know Restore Points like the back of my hand, Shadow Copies, and Windows Backup very well and they seem to have a lot of issues. The native backup options are unreliable in a number of real world situations due to the low standards MS engineers have for "just works" at least for all the articles I read on people that have trouble restoring or run into backup error messages all the time.
 
The fact that Microsoft has 5 things to do and it is not clear how they differ and how complete each is, and they fail often in the real world and
what the Mac does is just  plug in a drive and press "On"
is just an example of how bad things have gotten under a decade of Ballmer. Gates used to really change things and react and copy and improve on competitors. Ballmer is an ostrich with head in sand and lets the geeks run the show and they think if someone wants to do something it should involve many steps, and should have many options some of which totally ruin the experience, then blame the user for choosing THAT option. An example of the difference in their style is Gates had Macs, used Oracle, used PenPoint, etc.  so he could see what the competitors did and make sure next versions of MS Products were better than these competitors.  Ballmer refuses to use the competitors, and forbids his family and MS employees from using these competitors. His kids can not own iPods for example. You can't copy and improve on what you don't use and don't respect. As for Windows 8 it is 100 x worse than people say. If you are a connoisseur of software it is hard to believe how bad the UI dialogs look (the main screen may or may not look cheezy as a matter of taste I think iPad and Android look better) dialogs like choosing a printer are one color backgrounds with white line art that looks like chalk and buttons do not even look like buttons. In an attempt to be opposite from Apple's Skeuomorphism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeuomorph they reacted by not using 16 or 32 color palletes and not using any of the standard Win UI looks for buttons, checkmarks, etc. it is very hard to see the grouping of controls or even what type a control is (checkbox, radio, button) it is just really minimalist and indistinguishable.. As for backups I continue my quest for a backup that works with one click for backup and restore and can restore files to specific versions. I do understand that in Mac the 3rd party backups are a bit more reliable and complete than Time Machine and backup my BootCamp well and I am gravitating for those for perfect Mac Backups but Time Machine seems durn impressive compared to the confusing Windows options.
 
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Bob Cook <BobandMary@escapees.com> wrote:
 
Charles,
There are two options in Win8, File recovery and Windows Backup. And Restore Points too, and easier for novices to use. I don't use Time Macine on my Macs so I can't comment on it.   However, some reviews claim the MS options at least as good. 
 
 
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012, Charles Carroll <911@learnasp.com> wrote:
 
I withdraw my earlier praise for Windows 8 "History Vault" which has been renamed to "File Restore" and has so little capability it is truly a joke:http://www.howtogeek..com/123713/how-windows-8s-backup-system-differs-from-windows-7s/ Viva La Time Machine. File Restore is just a very poor tool that deals with almost no important 'my drive crashed' backup issues. And no 'something messed up my settings let me restore the machine to a past working point' (which MS has always had with system restore but its a risky not miraculous feature. I cannot believe they have a team so dumb they released this crippled 'do almost nothing' nightmare.  Microsoft has a long history of copying competitors with some success so I assumed Time Machine would be copied and be slightly worse for some things and slightly better for others. They truly have such a misguided team they don't even copy good technology anymore. Sad.
-- Sent from my iPad

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