On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>> Show me "idiot" in my post.Believe me, *I* know what I said.
>> NOT calling you an idiot, then, I guess makes me NOT rude.
>> But bringing up idiocy in your reply, well, ....
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> You said:
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>> Maybe it is not the product that is the problem, but the user.
>> It took me (age 67) a few minutes to set up.
So when you said 'the product that is the problem, but the user.' you did not mean that? You said either the PRODUCT or the USER is the problem. Since you setup the product quickly that means the other possibility the USER is the problem.
Just admit you called the USER the problem and defended a lame setup that works well for some users and works horribly for many including veteran users of several OSes. I don't mind being insulted by careless use of language but denying you insulted me because you misused the English language I am not fine with. I am the user and if AppleTV is fine according to your sentence structure the User i.e. me is the problem.
> The strong implication is that the USER (in this case me) is a problem not the product. So the problem could be many things but the assumption that you 67 could setup fast and I could not means I am the problem. Now you did not say the problem is that I am an idiot but calling anyone a 'problem user' implies they did something wrong and did not know something.Actually, we have both been ignoring the obvious third alternative, which your subsequent messages (subsequent to my posting my reply) have elucidated.
It ain't just "user" OR "product".
It's "user" OR "product" OR "system" (into which it is being installed).
Which includes cabling, brand of wired and/or wireless router, remote being used (e.g., hardware vs. App), and more.
And Apple could make it easy on Wifi which they have not. Giving people a sh*&^%y keyboard UI in a tiny corner of a HiDef screen when most WiFi networks have long and complex passwords is cruel. I never wanted to use Wifi any way I plugged in Ethernet and all reading and efforts failed till I did a lot of Googling and switched to WiFi. The fact that I had to do googling and try many things meant errors were not clear, UI did not have orthoganal setup paths, etc.
You have now made it clear that your problems were less the product than they were mating the product to your system.
My system is an iPad. That is near selling a billion copies. Since iPad is selling so well mating it with Apple TV without having to do anything on my WinTel Machine, without having to install iTunes or turn on sharing or unblock firewall ports.
It is technically possible to make mating an iPad with Apple TV easy.
I found it not to be. I still just mated them. I can't display my iPad screen on my hiDef TV (which should be dead easy) and the UI and remote are a nightmare and the Remote pad software mediocre at best. I expect AppleTV and its setup to be loveable like the rest of my Apple experience and it was anything but. I expect great UI, fabulous remote, fabulous iPad Remote app, a software setup that works really well for 99.5% of the population and the products they own.
Then I can tell everyone I know Apple TV is great. As for now I find it ok for me and lousy for my Mom and she really wants to use NetFlix on the hiDef TV and that UI is too obtuse for her and annoying for me. The apps are just really bad on a mediocre at best UI.
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