Friends Kingdom: Re: [iPad] Thinking About the iPad Pro

I had to upgrade an iPad as it could not play 720p files without being very jerky. It played 1080p Apple supported filetypes, all 2 or 3 of the file types smooth as butter

I'll collate a list of basic tasks that are lacking, I am at work today

I dont want a Mac app on my iPad, an iOS one would do great thanks!

I am sure anything could be done on it, via JB or klunky workaround, but thats hardly a a solution. Especially for Apple I would have thought. That reinforces that iOS is designed small, limited, basic, simple. Which goes back to my original post, and supports it, the Pro is just a big iPad, thanks to the limitations of iOS.

From: "Christopher Collins iphone@analogdigital.com.au [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 23 November 2015 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Thinking About the iPad Pro

iOS is small & lightweight Tony. It is one of the smallest OS's out there. Android is a similar size. QNX is another small OS. Windows and OS X are not.

How does playing your video with the GPU provide a benefit? I've never had any problems playing videos other than buffering delays.

Haven't had any problems sharing files either. Or getting files to any of the iOS devices. Specifics please?

Allowing you to run an app that you acquire on you Mac WOULD require OS X.

Many of the things that you complain about are very generic, abstract things that in most cases appear to be only your opinion.

If you really want to, anything that can be done on a Mac can be done on an iPad.

It's a matter of looking to find out how. Does it require jailbreaking your machine? Possibly.

But yet again, you are confusing Apple's policies and iOS limitations.

Also, as an aside, this is a very different group of people to most tablet or computer users. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here.

cjc

On 23 Nov 2015, at 12:39 PM, Tony tdale@xtra.co.nz [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Cheers for the extensive reply, Chris..

iOS is not that small and lightweight. It runs apps well. adding missing features such as copying files directly to it and not via iTunes or sending files around the world doesnt need OSX. Playing my video using the GPU doesn't need OSX. Sharing a file any way I wish to doesnt need OSX.
Allowing me to have an app on my iPad that I can acquire for my Mac without Apple blocking it, is what I want, thats doesnt need OSX

I wish to do what I can on my Mac, on my iPad, accepting that the smaller screen makes it not so good, accepting that a tablet OS will do some things differently. But I cannot. Somethibngs cannot be done, some things require klutzy workarounds. because Apple doesnt want us to have a computer experience on a tablet, so we end up with a lite computer a junior computer. If Apple makes real computers and we can do all these functions whats the issue? It doesnt take a 15GB install to stop hobbling iOS. Its just made lite, I assume for anti cannibalism. So, iOS is primarily for consumption as you say, I agree. Its not because its too much CPU and GB to make a real OS, iOS is a real OS.

Can they both be used for creation, yes. No one disagrees wih that. Would you want to work all day long on various tasks on an iPad, no way. On a Mac it easy . On a Mac you can do whatever you want if it exists, in iOS you cannot for artificial reasons.

My point is this, an iPad is for consumption primarily, dont pretend it is also as capable in creation as it isnt. Put a 13 MBA and a 12.9 iPad Pro side by side and lets all try it doing anything and everything we do every month. For those that play games and do email and websurfing yes that will work. Sure you might find a app thats typically not lite that creates music or does some editing thats cool. Thats makes the iPad the next big thing in prodiuctivity? No.. Telling me that they use iPads as cash registers is totally irrelevant to this thread, its beyong replying to.

But at the end of the day the comments here dont reflect elsewhere on this topic, and some exceptions noted. There is a lot Apple love here, thats very evident, but ok.

From: "Christopher Collins iphone@analogdigital.com.au [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 23 November 2015 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Thinking About the iPad Pro

I think you are missing the point Tony.

iOS is a small, lightweight OS specifically designed to be used on TOUCH SCREEN devices.

OS X is a much larger GENERAL PURPOSE OS that can be used on almost any sort of hardware. (laptops, desktops, towers, etc)

If iOS becomes a GENERAL PURPOSE OS, then it bloats, slows down and ceases to be very good as an OS on TOUCH SCREEN devices (witness Windows 8, 8.1 & 10 and Surface)

Many of the things OS X can do iOS can also do.

BUT, don't confuse App Store policies with iOS limitations. Just because Apple does not allow uTorrent or torrent apps on the iOS App Store, does not make it an iOS limitation.

If you stick entirely within the Mac App Store, I'm almost certain there won't be any torrent apps either! (Just checked, a quick search on Torrent bought up no torrent downloaders)

You need to seperate the "Apple rules" and iOS limitations because they are two separate things.

Is an iOS device (iPhone, iPad, iPod, AppleTV, etc) PRIMARILY a consumption device? The answer in most cases is yes.

Is an OS X device (MBP, MBA, rMBP, iMac etc) PRIMARILY a consumption device? The answer in most cases is yes.

Can they be used to do other things? In other words, can they be used as CREATION devices? The answer is a resounding YES!

By limiting yourself to the various App Stores, you ensure a safe, moderated group of software that will keep both your iOS & OS X device safe and secure.

Having said that, you can also go outside the walled garden and access much other software that Apple feels (for whatever reason) is unsafe, compromising or a security risk.

The choice is entirely yours.. I prefer my iOS device to be safe, secure & always available and working. I have an iPad Air, iPhone 6, AppleTV & Apple Watch.. They all work brilliantly together.

I also have a rMBP & iMac. These are my work and play machines. These are the machines I use to run VMs and many other jobs that then iOS devices won't do.

And as a point. Just because you can make something (iPad) do something (torrents) doesn't mean you should. There are better and easier ways to do that job.

Damn, I can blather.

Anyways, thats my 2c worth.

cic

PS Please trim your replies guys and girls!

On 23 Nov 2015, at 9:44 AM, Tony tdale@xtra.co.nz [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Security, good point.

But. I can add files by USB to my Mac. Addomg to the iPad requires clumsy workarounds if tye file sare sitting on a drive or USB or computer
Thats ok on a Mac so security isnt the issue
uTorrent that we talked about before has a Mac App on the Mac Appstore, why not iOS? Security cant be an issue as its allowed on the Mac

iOS could be free of many limitations but they dont allow it, as it will then be a laptop replacement and cannibalise , that is the only rational; explanation why. Its not technical or security. It certainly appears to be so we will buy two devices and not one. I feel in reality it woudlnt be like that for most of us

The iPad of any size is a creative device for artists, the larger size hasnt changed that although it makes it nicer to use. So is me watching a movie. Weight, size are downsides for some, for others its a benefit. But the overall functionality hasnt changed, thats my point all along. And by functionality I mean OS. The iPad is there to be whatever you want it to be, but that depends what they allow iOS to be