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OS could be free of many limitations but they dont allow it, as it will then be a laptop replacement and cannibalise , that is the only rational; explanation why. Its not technical or security. It certainly appears to be so we will buy two devices and not one.
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Yes, and I'm beginning to chafe at the restraints. Apple ought to be - probably are - thinking of ways to open up iOS to remove at least the worst of the limitations. Microsoft have already outclassed them with a fully functional tablet. Apple in the past have been content to let other companies do the market research and then to jump in with a more sophisticated and capable product. I'll wait a while for a more adult iOS, but the longer that takes, the more attractive a Windows tablet will become.
Security, good point.But. I can add files by USB to my Mac. Addomg to the iPad requires clumsy workarounds if tye file sare sitting on a drive or USB or computerThats ok on a Mac so security isnt the issueuTorrent that we talked about before has a Mac App on the Mac Appstore, why not iOS? Security cant be an issue as its allowed on the MaciOS could be free of many limitations but they dont allow it, as it will then be a laptop replacement and cannibalise , that is the only rational; explanation why. Its not technical or security. It certainly appears to be so we will buy two devices and not one. I feel in reality it woudlnt be like that for most of usThe iPad of any size is a creative device for artists, the larger size hasnt changed that although it makes it nicer to use. So is me watching a movie. Weight, size are downsides for some, for others its a benefit. But the overall functionality hasnt changed, thats my point all along. And by functionality I mean OS. The iPad is there to be whatever you want it to be, but that depends what they allow iOS to be
From: "Alice Saunders lwr32@mac.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 23 November 2015 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Thinking About the iPad Pro
Android, as you pointed out, removes many limitations on its tablets that the iPad has. Where does this leave security? Apple limits what iOS does for security reasons.If one looks at the iPad Pro as a creative, artistic device, then it is different. Yes, it's a bigger iPad but it was designed for artists. We don't know yet what other uses it will have.
\\ /\( ) Alice.( ). lwr32@mac.comAgain, that isnt the point. For many functiions the iPad is poor, more to the point, iOS is poor, if anyone has visons past a consumption device, which is what it was designed for, Creation yes, but not in a Pro world, or all day long. Android yes, removes many of these issues and you can get tablets with great screens, if anyone wanted proper functionality. To mention that as a solution is well, Apple defence IMHO. I have iPads, I use them for their designed purpose
From: "Alice Saunders lwr32@mac.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups..com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2015 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Thinking About the iPad Pro
Gretchen, you said what I was about to say, get an Android if it will make you happier. I had a Nexus 7 at one time. Took it back because I didn't like it. Some like iPads while others like Android tablets. There's something for everyone.
On Nov 21, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Gretchen Hunter gretchenhunter@mac.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I never said that Tony. Haven't you ever heard of using different tools for different jobs? For some people the iPad takes care of some or all of their needs. Some use it only for consumption. Some for work & consumption. I can't do all my work on it, but I wouldn't give it up.Why don't you get an Android tablet? It seems like you would be happier.
Gretchen
Sent from my iPhone 6s PlusI will. Does that mean we can all remove our iMacs and MacBooks . No.Anyone who only needs a tablet, great, their use case fits thatIf my iPad was android I could use it a lot more , but it isn'tAs many on here have stated over the years it's a consumption device. You can create but that's often clumsy
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On 22/11/2015, at 12:43 PM, Gretchen Hunter gretchenhunter@mac.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Tony, I suggest you read more reviews. One is on www.macstories.net. Federico Viticci has long used his iPad for work and consumption. He runs his website off his iPad.
Gretchen
Sent from my iPad AirI haven't no. It has iOS that is the problem it has the same shackles as any other iPad.It's for read watch and play, nothing has changed.Apparently according to Cook it's for professional media creators. Really?A niche market that won't replace real power computers and screens and even when on the go, take an iPad with a pencil instead of an rMBP? I can't see itI might get one for the screen size, be great for SVOD
Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus In other words, you have not used the Pro?Pat
Sent from my iPad Air2iPad? Ive used an iPad since, 1,2,3, and now my Air. The iPad Pro, is the same device. Split View is a good idea, pencil is for some, but the functionality is crippled as previous iPads. That why iPads are great as consumption devices, to read, watch and play. Creation,not so much, but you can if you have to
From: "Pat Taylor pat412@mac.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2015 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Thinking About the iPad Pro
Have you yet used one to actually know what the device will and will not do?Pat
Sent from my iPad Air2Jerry's right. Hamstrung, shackled. Its not an iOS issue its an Apple issue. Many seem to be getting tired, going by other forums and threads about Apple. Bugs everywhere, name the latest "gate" For many the aura is gone, leaving MS to innovate which they are doing. To call the IPP a Pro is silly, its just a larger iPad. A larger game device, a larger book reader, a larger webpage viewer
From: "Alice Saunders lwr32@mac.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 November 2015 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Thinking About the iPad Pro
Hmmmm, sounds like you want the iPad to everything a laptop can do. It doesn't. What I'd like my iPad mini 4 to be able to do is download from third party sites and hook up to a hard drive. I might be able to use a wifi hard drive with my iPad. I don't have one to test though. I use Goodreader for a few things like zipping a file before emailing or storing on Dropbox.
\\ /\( ) Alice.( ). lwr32@mac.comI have a iPad and a MB Air. I wouldn't trade my MB Air for 5 iPads. iPad battery adequate. Speed OK. Display fine. But thats where it ends. IOS is terrible. Too many can't do that. Too many work arounds. It's a fancy Kindle reader and photo display. iPad should at least double as a phone. Problem with Apple these days. It's all about the money. I used to complain about Windows and high upgrade price for the same old same old crappy OS. Apple does the same thing with the iPhone. Apple items keep getting bigger to keep up with Samsung. Soon they will come with wheels.. LOL.Jerry R. Elkins2004 HR Scepter PDQ2008 Ford Sport TracMesa, Az 85209
On Nov 12, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Tony tdale@xtra.co.nz [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Thats a general summary. The iPad can in fact do everything a laptop can do, but often its a clumsy and slow workaround. Its not precise selecting and copying. The precision of a mouse cursor massively exceeds a finger. If Apple provided BT mouse support that in itself would be a big step forward. File management. I get given a USB flash drive of photos, or documents, I can't just copy them to the iPad. I have to tell the guy to go away and email them, go away and put them on the cloud so I can get them off the cloud. What if he doesnt use the cloud service I use? What if I am not in a wifi area, cellular area, what if I don't want to waste many GB getting files through my cell plan? Should I waste money to buy a wifi external HDD that iOS supports with a file transfer app?Now if you bought an Android tablet you can make many of these issues go away. A Surface, they all go away. A MBP they all go awayThe iPad should have a disadvantage in screen size, an advantage in battery, and most things being similar in function to a laptop. Similar. In some cases the laptop does it better but the iPad could do it well enough, thats what we want.But its shackled, and this is not a tablet issue, its an iOS/iPad issue.There will be many whose tasks are fine, all covered, but there are many where they are too slow and cumbersome having to get round the shackling.....What would help?BT mouseFile Management and no, thats not Finder, its just have a Lightning to USB adaptor, select and copy what you want to the app you choose that supports the file type. Allow all apps to have a folder system such as Goodreader. the files are now on the iPad quickly and easily, no need for matching cloud services, emailing, connecting to iTunes.Pencil Thats now sorted, a nice accessory for an iPad.After all this, iOS is still very much the same, no need to use OSX on the iPad or an OSX/iOS hybridYes, its still a small tablet, a non laptop keyboard, but thats ok, I can do anything I like on it, as I can with my laptop at home, its close enough.
From: "Kris Murray krismurray@gmail.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 12 November 2015 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Thinking About the iPad ProIclouddrive not enough? How and why do you need to manage files? My iBooks manages those files and my iTunes those files etc...~KLM\\ "Antisocial behavior is a trait of intelligence in a world full of conformists" ~Nikola Tesla //
On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:41 AM, David Smith david.smith.14916@gmail.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
File manager.Which shackles, specifically.~KLM\\ "Antisocial behavior is a trait of intelligence in a world full of conformists" ~Nikola Tesla //Agree. Sharing the data, that type of thing, and dumbed down apps, not full apps are a hindrance to an iPad being usable as a laptop on the run/travel/go. You don't need OSX or a full file system, you just need freedom to use it. It wouldn't tale much at all IMO, as you don need to change or rewrite iOS, just take some shackles off. That would be a great solution. And it would be a kick to the knees of hybrids.
From: "David Smith david.smith.14916@gmail.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Thinking About the iPad ProAnother article bad-mouthing Apple. I wonder whether this is a trend gathering steam. Apple has been coasting on its wonder-years legacy for an awfully long time. Columnists who have for years been in the habit of gushing over every Apple announcement may be waking up en masse.Lately, I've been hitting my head against the wall in frustration at the inability to let one iPad app get access to another app's data. This is, of course, normal in iOS. It's designed that way, for heaven's sake. Dumbed down deliberately. And now we have the "Pro", which is just, as this writer correctly notes, a big iPhone. What should by rights be an OSX tablet is just an iPhone in a fifth size.Somebody just asked about the possibility of having 24-bit music on the ATV. That's almost certainly almostimpossible. I could have 24/96 music on my iPad if I could just get past Apple's super-irritating data-segregation-by-app restriction.On the way to the Apple store here the other day to pick up a new Apple TV, I dropped in to the Microsoft store for a minute. The new Surface is way overpriced, but it does not run a dumbed-down operating system. Frankly, I'm beginning to be tempted.Thinking About the iPad Pro
While the iPad Pro was in many ways inevitable, it also points to a crisis of original thought at Apple, which has been coasting on the iPhone's coattails for perhaps too long. At Apple, the solution to every problem is another iPhone. And the iPad Pro, like the new Apple TV and the Apple Watch, is really just another attempt to duplicate that singular success in other markets.This, I will remind you, was Microsoft's failed strategy as well: With the success of Windows, Microsoft simply tried to duplicate that product's success—in which it created the software and others sold the hardware—in numerous other markets. It didn't work, and today Microsoft has started copying Apple by trying to do both software and hardware too.I wrote about Apple's non-existent justification for building iPad Pro previously in Apple's iPad Pro Takes on Surface, where I pointed out that Apple was simply copying Surface, and implicitly admitting that, hey, it looks like Microsoft really was onto a good idea there.But there's a much better condemnation of iPad Pro available from Computerworld's Richi Jennings, who does no less than provide multiple examples of Apple's top executives, Tim Cook and Eddie Cue, completely refuting each others' rationales for the product. Tim Cook says it's for creatives, and that no one needs a laptop anymore. Cue, meanwhile, says it's for those who "consume" more than they "create."Oh brother.Apple's inability to market a product for which there is no clear purpose sounds familiar, The Verge's Tom Warren notes in Apple has learned nothing from Microsoft's Surface."It's easy to see that Apple has learned nothing from Microsoft's Surface work. The original Surface RT shipped with just one angle for its kickstand and it was awkward to use as a laptop replacement on your lap," Mr. Warren writes. "Apple's iPad Pro can only be used at one angle with the keyboard, and there's no place to store the stylus when you're not using it."To be fair to Apple, they are getting one thing right: As strong as the Mac market is, it's just a tiny fraction of the market for iOS devices, and in the sense that when you're a hammer, everything problem looks like a nail, it's pretty obvious that Apple should improve iOS for 2-in-1s and not the Mac. And the iPad Pro won't suffer from Surface RT's biggest problem, a lack of apps. Again, making a big iPhone does sort of make sense.If, that is, you're a slow-moving, conservative, and risk-averse company. Which of course Apple has become. Everyone is quick to harp on how Microsoft would become the next IBM. But no one seems to have noticed that, in turn, Apple has become the next Microsoft.In the good old days of a four-product grid and simplification, Steve Jobs would never have allowed the iPad Pro to get past the casual conversation stage. These days, Apple can't stop mimicking its one hugely successful product, the iPhone, and trying to step the quarter by quarter sales shortfall that the iPad has been experiencing for almost two straight years now..... And who knows? Maybe the iPad Pro will reverse this trend. For one quarter. But like the Apple Watch and Apple TV, and the original iPad itself, the iPad Pro isn't the next big thing. It's not the future. It's just more of the same.Apple is hugely successful, just as Microsoft was when it was trying to duplicate its Windows strategy everywhere. It's customers are ever-willing to open their pocketbooks no matter what Apple releases. And Apple will get past this pointless release, improve iPad Pro over time, and perhaps get to a point where it's powerful enough to actually work as a … whatever it is they want it to be.Today, it's not clear what the point of iPad Pro is. Heck, even Apple can't tell us.Tagged iPad Pro~KLM\ "Antisocial behavior is a trait of intelligence in a world full of conformists" ~Nikola Tesla //
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