Very good point. And I think a lot of people forget that the innovator would be nothing without the people who use/manufacture his or her (anybody know of any innovators who are women?) products and/or methods AND the people who want and buy them! An innovator, no matter how great, is embedded in society and dependent on the market and governments, even if he is an outsider, because without society, nobody and no way to implement new ideas or uses for ideas or methods. Getting back to music, what good is a song without a singer, a symphony without an orchestra, a keyboard without a player? And what good is a performance without an audience (and I will agree that sometimes the player and the audience are one and the same person)? One of my favorite sayings--I even have it engraved on my tiny iPod Nano--is "everything has to do with everything." I'm sure this saying wasn't my original creation, since there is no such thing as "new snow" (Kurt Tucholsky essay), but my husband and I so often have discussions where he will say to me, "That has nothing to do with it!" And I say, "Of course it does, you just forget that everything has to do with everything." LOL!! This is a very interesting thread! A lot of very thoughtful posts. Thanks for your valuable input. Carlee -------Original Message------- Date: 17.02.2012 09:43:50 Subject: Re: [iPad] Re: Curious We were not talking of inventions but innovativeness. Appstore is the way future intellectual property will be created and sold. Software was not invented by either Bill Gates nor by Steve Jobs. Music was not invented by Mozart but a caveman who made flute out of a bone. What was his name? best
From: David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@comcast.net>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2012, 23:33
Subject: Re: [iPad] Re: Curious
iTunes didn't change the way we look at music -- mp3 files were around long before iTunes. iTunes and Steve Jobs merely strong-armed the world into his marketing vision. Not necessarily a good thing, not necessarily a bad thing, but hardly a "once every 3 centuries" sort of event. Jeff Bezos did the same thing for books and for the rest of the world who hates apple but still wants to buy on-line music. Steve Jobs had nothing to do with Amazon's success, yet Amazon's on-line marketing success certainly rivals iTunes's.Pixar is merely another animation studio. And it was started long before Steve Jobs bought it -- he didn't create it, he merely invested in it.Look, Steve Jobs is just a man who invented some things, bought other things, was a bully about a whole lot of things and hasn't turned the world on its ear nearly as much as apple-lovers would like to think. he didn't invent the personal computer, his company still has a minority share in the personal computer marketplace, his company isn't the only one selling mp3 players, he didn't invent mp3 players.He is just a very successful business man -- he didn't even invent the first tablet computer. he took other's ideas, combined them with some of his own, as most inventors do, and that's all.The only apple product I've ever owned is my iPad, and while I love it and use it a lot were it to die tomorrow and all iPads disappear, my life would still go on, I'd still continue writing music, performing music, teaching music, being a happily married man and father of 2 (who both hate iPods, by the way, and don't buy their songs from iTunes).The kind of man Steve Jobs was comes along maybe once a month or so -- Warren Buffet is as inventive and creative in his success as Steve Jobs. Bill Gates, as somebody else mentioned, is every bit as successful as Steve Jobs.Jonas Salk, with his polio vaccine, did far more good for this world than Steve Jobs ever did. :-)But of course you are entitled to your opinions about Steve Jobs and his "once in 3 centuries" brilliance. :-)David H. Bailey(who happens to think Louis Armstrong outshines them all!)On 2/16/2012 5:08 PM, Pabitra Saha wrote:>>> What about iTunes and Pixar. He changed the way we look at music,> computer, the net and the movies ( and perhaps the textbooks or the> process of education itself)>>>> On 16 Feb 2012, at 17:25, "Robert Maxey" <bobbyzio36@gmail.com> <mailto:bobbyzio36@gmail.com>> wrote:>>> I agree. Jobs was smart, but so is Gates and a few others in the tech>> world. Or in our history for that matter. Ford was such a man as was>> DiVinci and others.>>>> Jobs was lucky; his iDevices might have been a big failure in the market.>>>> --- In <mailto:iPad%40yahoogroups.com>iPad@yahoogroups.com>> <mailto:iPad@yahoogroups.com>, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@...> wrote:>> >>> > > A man with the calibre of Steve Jobs is born once in 3 centuries.>> >>> > Probably a man with Jobs' potential is born every year, maybe every>> month. What doesn't happen is the coincidence of having the right>> person in the right place at the right time to take advantage of the>> right circumstances.>> >>> > -->> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>> > Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@...>> >>>>>> -- David H. Baileydhbailey@davidbaileymusicstudio.com |
