Standard or normal. Hmm. Perhaps, for me, based upon SJs influence. But is it that non standard and not normal? Its a business, has its own business model. Google has a different business model. Microsoft in terms of smart devices has a model not disimilar to Apple from what I gather. A type of closed ecosystem, own app store.
Take cars as an analogy. You may see it like me, that Mercedes compared to Toyota is Apple and Google. One has better quality products, better service, better reputation, and is a brand. As In Mercedes you associate various emotional factors and perceptions, where with Toyota, you associate a car. I think thats probably a good analogy. BUT, they both make cars, like Apple and Google. Cars evolve, it doesnt really matter what the features are, as they have evolved, and every car manufacturer has them. Electric windows, ABS, Traction Control, auto transmission, radio controls on the steering wheel, heated seats. These I guess were once way cool new features, now they are standard.
Apple is different. One phone design from 2007. iOS looks the same. No standard USB cable, no removable memory, no removable battery. No widgets. Cant use bluetooth for playing content, just partner devices like handsfree kits . This is Apples way. I have zero problem with any of these. No visible file system, no problem with that.
What my issue is. are functions that are common and standard. Does it matter who came up with what? No. Didnt for cars or washing machines. I dont expect only Apple to invent new functions, nor Google. Apple made Siri, a first for an interactive voice system, Google made theirs, thats what happens in new devices. Smart devices are evolving, the OS is evolving. The way people use iOS or Googles OS now is way different from the past. Ironically they are phones, but the phone is often a little used function, they are now wide use devices.
My issue Alice is that there are functions that are what I consider to be smartphone functions that I consider to be normal and standard. To leave such standard functions out is odd. Notifications are old. I guess they can be considered as Android features, but to me they are like electric windows. Great idea, everyone now uses that. I expect Apple to think up cool and/or useful functions, I expect the same form Google, I expect them to use each others as every other product we know of, does.
Take Samsungs air geatures. Hmm, nice. Useful? Not really. Work well, some do, some don't. Its a nice innovative idea that has no real benefit, apart from at a party. I doubt Apple will do that, exactly for the reasons you mention. I imagine Apple will decide that it isnt really of any benefit, so they would not bother.
I guess I see some functions as normal these days, useful. Such as what you suggested, be allowed to share a content type with any app you have that can use it.. Thats old. Its a restriction that I cannot fathom. I can import non Apple purchased files using iTunes file sharing to an App Store app, but I cant recieve a photo in an email and share or send it to any app that I have that can show a photo. Things like that are inconsistent and I cannot see why they are missing, This is what bugs me. Inconsistency. We have been using programs we own to open or look at a photo on out Macs or PC for years and years, I cannot on my phone. Every other phone can. Its not copying everyone else, its using the same functions that everyone else uses as standard.
Apple differentiates itself in the market, you mentioned these points. If Android has a useful, simple function, why not Apple. Googles allows unfettered and uncontrolled app development, Apple doesnt. But, step back, Apple won't, and thats one of their keys to quality. Missing old and useful functions isn't related to having or not having quality, its about having a generally similar set of functions, and garnering that inside a different business model, better hardware and better software and better apps..Thats what Apple does. Back in the day, anti Apple stuff was the usual Androider BS, jealousy, etc. Now, the comments of falling behind are quite true. Behind on the basics
The sad thing is Google cannot change to be like Apple. Way too different business models. Apple could level the playing field quite easily, catch up on simple OS functions that make getting around the phone and apps easier, sharing easier, and still keep the closed ecosystem.
Apps are the key for me, and as you said, you know why, they are BETTER. But thats me, the general public dont really want out of date devices, and I read that often, way behind. Sad that blanding the UI is the change Apple want the world to notice, thats a big big mistake. Give us the UI we have plus two flatter themes along the lines they are looking at. Catch up base functions. Throw in something a bit new and innovative (oddly air gestures would have been the Apple type of idea). Then you have force that is the talk of the town, as was common on past years.
Sorry for typering so much!!
From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
Take cars as an analogy. You may see it like me, that Mercedes compared to Toyota is Apple and Google. One has better quality products, better service, better reputation, and is a brand. As In Mercedes you associate various emotional factors and perceptions, where with Toyota, you associate a car. I think thats probably a good analogy. BUT, they both make cars, like Apple and Google. Cars evolve, it doesnt really matter what the features are, as they have evolved, and every car manufacturer has them. Electric windows, ABS, Traction Control, auto transmission, radio controls on the steering wheel, heated seats. These I guess were once way cool new features, now they are standard.
Apple is different. One phone design from 2007. iOS looks the same. No standard USB cable, no removable memory, no removable battery. No widgets. Cant use bluetooth for playing content, just partner devices like handsfree kits . This is Apples way. I have zero problem with any of these. No visible file system, no problem with that.
What my issue is. are functions that are common and standard. Does it matter who came up with what? No. Didnt for cars or washing machines. I dont expect only Apple to invent new functions, nor Google. Apple made Siri, a first for an interactive voice system, Google made theirs, thats what happens in new devices. Smart devices are evolving, the OS is evolving. The way people use iOS or Googles OS now is way different from the past. Ironically they are phones, but the phone is often a little used function, they are now wide use devices.
My issue Alice is that there are functions that are what I consider to be smartphone functions that I consider to be normal and standard. To leave such standard functions out is odd. Notifications are old. I guess they can be considered as Android features, but to me they are like electric windows. Great idea, everyone now uses that. I expect Apple to think up cool and/or useful functions, I expect the same form Google, I expect them to use each others as every other product we know of, does.
Take Samsungs air geatures. Hmm, nice. Useful? Not really. Work well, some do, some don't. Its a nice innovative idea that has no real benefit, apart from at a party. I doubt Apple will do that, exactly for the reasons you mention. I imagine Apple will decide that it isnt really of any benefit, so they would not bother.
I guess I see some functions as normal these days, useful. Such as what you suggested, be allowed to share a content type with any app you have that can use it.. Thats old. Its a restriction that I cannot fathom. I can import non Apple purchased files using iTunes file sharing to an App Store app, but I cant recieve a photo in an email and share or send it to any app that I have that can show a photo. Things like that are inconsistent and I cannot see why they are missing, This is what bugs me. Inconsistency. We have been using programs we own to open or look at a photo on out Macs or PC for years and years, I cannot on my phone. Every other phone can. Its not copying everyone else, its using the same functions that everyone else uses as standard.
Apple differentiates itself in the market, you mentioned these points. If Android has a useful, simple function, why not Apple. Googles allows unfettered and uncontrolled app development, Apple doesnt. But, step back, Apple won't, and thats one of their keys to quality. Missing old and useful functions isn't related to having or not having quality, its about having a generally similar set of functions, and garnering that inside a different business model, better hardware and better software and better apps..Thats what Apple does. Back in the day, anti Apple stuff was the usual Androider BS, jealousy, etc. Now, the comments of falling behind are quite true. Behind on the basics
The sad thing is Google cannot change to be like Apple. Way too different business models. Apple could level the playing field quite easily, catch up on simple OS functions that make getting around the phone and apps easier, sharing easier, and still keep the closed ecosystem.
Apps are the key for me, and as you said, you know why, they are BETTER. But thats me, the general public dont really want out of date devices, and I read that often, way behind. Sad that blanding the UI is the change Apple want the world to notice, thats a big big mistake. Give us the UI we have plus two flatter themes along the lines they are looking at. Catch up base functions. Throw in something a bit new and innovative (oddly air gestures would have been the Apple type of idea). Then you have force that is the talk of the town, as was common on past years.
Sorry for typering so much!!
From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
Gotta remember, Apple is neither standard nor normal. Never has been. I like to think Apple studies all the other companies and their products, looks at what's good and bad, looks at what the users like and what they don't and tries to figure out how to make it better. Apple doesn't like to put out pieces and parts just pec amuse everyone else is doing it. Apple has made a few bad decisions in their life but they've come back. I think because Apple has the reputation for wowing its customer base, it's expected all the time. Compared to other companies I think Apple has done a great job with its products and customer service. I can't say that about Android. Where can I go to get service on an Android? Where I bought it? Will that service be excellent? Apple has the reputation for excellent service and tries their best to provide it. I've never had a bad experience with Apple. I can even take classes in an Apple Store at no extra charge when I buy a new product from them. Can I with Android? I digress.
I've tried the Google Play store when I had the Nexus. Not much there that even compares with the App Store for iOS. Yes, I'm ready for some changes in iOS. I don't k ow what Apple has in store, if anything. My hope is that Apple stays with ease of use and elegance.
I see , ok
Who said I like Android? Well I wonder what people said when the features were released last time and the time before that, and iOS 7 that all existed at Android, and are these days standard, normal features
What needs to happen is to not assume that anything that talks against Apple, is not anti Apple badgering. Apple is not god, although some seem to feel that way. Its great, I love it, but what is wrong with saying that it can do better?
And to that it does, by adding features that existed elsewhere, and calling them new and amazing, I do find that insulting. If they wish to add Android features slowly over time, thats fine, thats exactly what Apple does. Please dont assume that my annoyance over this ever way of slowly drip feeding old stuff is that I am anti Apple and Pro Android.
With respect that is fanboyism.From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
My point has been made by many in this group. Get an Android if you like it, get an iOS device if you like it but I'm tired of people complaining that Apple should have this, that and the other that Android has. I missed the simplicity, ease of use and elegance of iOS when I had the Nexus. I went back to iOS.My iPhone has what Android has, thats what iOS commonly gives us, so I dont see your point.. Yes, I would like them sooner rather than years later.
Given that the reasons I use Apple are not user friendly features, I live with it. But given the reputation that Apple has, and I hope continues to have, I do have an expectation that an iPhone should offer more than a simple, low featured, basic device. Thats what it is though.
iOS offer better quality apps, and a smoother, more fluid operation of the UI, as in no Android lag. It offers some hardware integration that suits me, thats it. I forego modern conveniences and live on the Home Button. I forego software integration as I think you suggested.Thats fiine, my choice, I use a basic smartphone.. I would just like a little more thats all
From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
You want things Android has, so get an Android. I had an Android and wanted iOS things so I bought an iPad mini.\\ /\ Alice.( ). Sent from my iPad miniSwipe down every 5 minutes so I can check what i didnt see?
Or leave them taking up screen all the time? An alert to show me I should check as there are new things such as as we get with updates and new messages, thats makes sense
I want some things Android has, I get some every year in the iOS update. They arent really Android features, they are what are becoming standard features that iOS doesnt have, yet
From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
Swipe down to see notifications or have them remain onscreen until you get rid of them. It's a settings thing. More toggles? Why? iOS has plenty already.I tried using Android. Didn't like it. Went back to iOS. If any iOS user wants what Android has, switch to Android.\\ /\ Alice.( ). Sent from my iPad miniAlice they already do, many features already exist ion Android. Take Notifications, released as new anmd amazing. Actuall;y old. iOS notifcations are bare bones and actaully useless.They work if you look at the screen for the 2 seconds they appear , after that you have no idea they popped up.. The article talked about toggles, thats an Android feature, old also. They are two minor examples of what I consider useful features. Like any product, manufacturers pick on others ideas , thats life, and thats progress .
From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
Apple better be doing something different instead of adding Android like stuff to their iOS. Otherwise Android could possibly sue Apple.\\ /\ Alice.( ). Sent from my iPad miniIgnore the silly widgets cluttering everything. Its much easier to get around. What it lacks is that it is laggy, has buggy apps, security issues, inability to update
These negatives arent the cause of Apple dragging the useability chain. Although they do add these Android features slowly, noticed that a lot. Eventually, and bare bones. Wait and see, you will see more Android stuff in iOS 7.
3 platforms, all with pluses and all with minuses.I use Apple as I want the pluses, and I endure the minuses
From: David Smith <david.smith.14916@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
I don't know about Android. I fiddled with someone's Android phone a few days ago. No magic there, that I could see. To each her own.--david@luda.netpad4I agree.
Look and feel changes are fine, but make them options, such as Themes.
When I see this going backwards look and feel, and admittance that the focus is on look and feel rather than features, I am a bit gobsmacked. No, I don't want a gazillion features adding pages galore in the Settings, but being intuituve and easy to use as where Android has got to, finally. Apple, you need to tap more, swipe more, and wear out the already poor Home button. While they are slow and behind, please keep adding the old and useful Android features as has been the case very very often in the past.. Please dont only listen to the utterings of anti Apple syers saying the UI is old and boring, then make the UI look old and boring.
I see this as a turning point. When app devs are at the point in "ok, we now have to make all our apps have a WP version" what then?
Rant over
From: bj <bjones44@verizon.net>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
Change for the sake of change, imposing your own stamp, because you can,
etc.
Dumbing down, dulling up, taking the real-world-look out of it...
I don't think much of the direction this style is taking, if the rumors to
turn out to be true....
But then, I'm certainly not in a demographic that they are aiming at, so
what I think doesn't matter, I'm just an old fogey who actually knows what a
pad of paper *looks* like (so I'm not confused by the representation of one
as a notes-app icon).
bj
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:24 PM
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
Dont follow your point
Are you referring to the dumbing down of the icons?
From: Blair Jones <bjones44@verizon.net>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7
On the whole -- IMO, yuck.
Sounds like a lot of "now I'm in charge, so I'll make changes because I can,
not to make things better but so it'll be *my* system, and *my* system has
to be *different* from the old one no matter what."
bj
On May 26, 2013, at 8:18 PM, "Tony" <mailto:tdale%40xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> http://9to5mac..com/2013/05/24/jony-ives-new-look-for-ios-7-black-white-and-flat-all-over/#more-272277
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