Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 

Cheeky , yeah! I find windows UI super easy . Everything is a click away

Sent from my iPhone 5 


On 1/06/2013, at 1:56 PM, Kris Murray <krismurray@gmail.com> wrote:

 

It's intuitive to me. To each their own. I've seen kids figure itout very fast and adults that don't. The difference is that the kids haven't had 20 years of an unintuitive windows UI burned into their skull. They are blank and can easily figure it out. Windows users, well, we simply feel sorry that the have twenty years of non intuitive windows clouding their judgement of what intuitive is

And I'm being a little cheeky here I know. To be fair Linux users and everyone but apple users may have a problem too. But kids find it extremely intuitive and they can't even balance a checkbook. 

~KLM
\\ "If people are not laughing at your goals, then they are too small" ~Azim Premji //

On May 27, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 

Intuitiive. 

iOS is not intuitive, as many on here have said. Not if you have not used it before. Android is the same, but IMO less so.

Throw away the widgets and you have the same platform design, icons in rows. The issue I see, is that Apple has restrictions or missing abilities, so you use teh home buttom a lot, and you cant easilty move in apps or in browser, or to and fro very easily. Home button over and over. Back button is bizarre. Its up here, or elsewher in iOS its doen there, or its nowhere. Its klunky to navigate, pure and simple.

I feel that there is a perception that Android is complex. It can be if u want, but its just the same ol rows of icons that we all know. You can keep it simple, but they have ease of use to move arounnd the OS, we have a home button

Topics like thiss always end up with bias and emotivemess. Less is more, but iOS is cripped to use, Home button to stop everything and start over. That needs to get to todays world.



From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 
You said it David.  Intuitive isn't a word I associate with Android.  I use to run Windows.  I got tired of "drilling down" through menu after menu to find things.  I don't want to go back.  Apple has shown that less is more. 

Question: How many people with Android phones really know how to use them vs. people with iPhones? 

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.(     ).  Sent from my iPad mini

On May 26, 2013, at 7:44 PM, David Smith <david.smith.14916@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I don't know about Android.  I fiddled with someone's Android phone a few days ago.  No magic there, that I could see.  To each her own.

--
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pad4


On May 26, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 
I agree..

Look and feel changes are fine, but make them options, such as Themes.

When I see this going backwards look and feel, and admittance that the focus is on look and feel rather than features, I am a bit gobsmacked. No, I don't want a gazillion features adding pages galore in the Settings, but being intuituve and easy to use as where Android has got to, finally. Apple, you need to tap more, swipe more, and wear out the already poor Home button. While they are slow and behind, please keep adding the old and useful Android features as has been the case very very often in the past. Please dont only listen to the utterings of anti Apple syers saying the UI is old and boring, then make the UI look old and boring.

I see this as a turning point. When app devs are at the point in "ok, we now have to make all our apps have a WP version" what then?

Rant over



From: bj <bjones44@verizon.net>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 
Change for the sake of change, imposing your own stamp, because you can,
etc.

Dumbing down, dulling up, taking the real-world-look out of it...

I don't think much of the direction this style is taking, if the rumors to
turn out to be true..

But then, I'm certainly not in a demographic that they are aiming at, so
what I think doesn't matter, I'm just an old fogey who actually knows what a
pad of paper *looks* like (so I'm not confused by the representation of one
as a notes-app icon).
bj

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:24 PM
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

Dont follow your point

Are you referring to the dumbing down of the icons?

From: Blair Jones <bjones44@verizon.net>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

On the whole -- IMO, yuck.

Sounds like a lot of "now I'm in charge, so I'll make changes because I can,
not to make things better but so it'll be *my* system, and *my* system has
to be *different* from the old one no matter what."
bj

On May 26, 2013, at 8:18 PM, "Tony" <mailto:tdale%40xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> http://9to5mac..com/2013/05/24/jony-ives-new-look-for-ios-7-black-white-and-flat-all-over/#more-272277
>





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Re: [iPad] Re: Steve Jobs and Xbox One?

 

Thatis a good read. Thanks

~KLM
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On May 28, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 

Its random. An interesting read at

http://www.iphonejd.com/iphone_jd/2012/01/tip-missing-apps-in-open-in-menu.html




From: David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@comcast.net>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Re: Steve Jobs and Xbox One?

 
On 5/27/2013 6:29 PM, whiterabbit32@gmail.com wrote:
> I'd like to see Apple allow more app association, meaning if I get an email with a PDF in it on my iPad, I'd like to be able to use open with and have it list all the apps on my iPad the file can be opened with. As of now, only certain apps get the privilege of being listed in the open with.
>
[snip]

Really? Wow, on my iPad all my apps which can open PDF files are listed
in the "Open With" dialog. What apps aren't getting listed for you?

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[iPad] Apple Maps again

 

Ok. Last night, apple maps did some we weird stuff. It took me the most unintuitive route to my destination possible, on frontage roads I didn't even know existed and it was dark, of course. I hope maps gets some ios7 love...

~KLM
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Re: [iPad] Camera shutter with left hand

 

Very cool.
Thanks, Kris.
I'll try some of these tomorrow.
 
              Paul
 
   
 
 
 
 
> .. < > .. < > .. < > ..<
www.paulostrof.com
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 5/31/2013 6:03:53 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Camera shutter with left hand
 
I'm guessing camera+

On May 31, 2013, at 6:55 PM, "Paul Ostrof" <postrof@comcast.net> wrote:

 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 5/31/2013 4:09:12 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Camera shutter with left hand
 
 

Maybe try out other camera apps?
 
For example...

~KLM
\,,/ 01001100 01001111 01001100 \,,/

On May 31, 2013, at 12:42 PM, "Paul Ostrof" <postrof@comcast.net> wrote:

 

Greetings,
   I have lost the use of my right hand and, unfortunately, the camera shutter switch is on the right side in landscape and portrait mode.
   Is there a way in the OS or is there an app to move it to the left side?
 
                    Paul
 
 
 
 
 
> .. < > .. < > .. < > ..<
www.paulostrof.com
 
 

 




 
 







 

 
 

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Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 

I'd like more gestures too. And for farts sake ADD SOME STUFF TO SIRI!!! Siri feels crippled to me. 

I've never had a home button fail. Knock on wood. 

~KLM
\\ "If people are not laughing at your goals, then they are too small" ~Azim Premji //

On May 28, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 

Thas a good one Alice.. My Home Button failed on my 5, so I would prefer to use it less if possible, and a swipe is better as you can then swipe app to app



From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2013 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 
Do we now OT the subject or go back to what we were talking about LOL! 

One thing I'd like to see in iOS 7 is a few more gestures for the iPhone, like the right to left slide to go from one open app to another.  If its there now, I sure cant get it to work.

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  (   )    whiterabbit@gmail.com
.(     ).  Sent from my iPad mini

On May 28, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@icloud.com> wrote:

 
>>> Cannot on an iPhone just iPad.
>>
>> Ummm.
>> This is the iPad forum.
>> I checked before I wrote that.
>
> It's also been made clear by list-owner Kris that discussions of related items are welcome, as are discussions of cats and other pets, and apparently anything not deemed personally offensive.
>
> And since iOS is very much a part of this forum, discussing it as implemented on more than one device has been common since I joined a couple of years ago.

Of course.
But the default is always that a question, not otherwise specified, is about the iPad.

If the question is on the iPad forum, but about the iPhone, it only makes logical sense to STATE that when asking the question.

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Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 

I want them. I desire widgets or toggles on my NC like I have on my JB iOS. 

~KLM
\\ "If people are not laughing at your goals, then they are too small" ~Azim Premji //

On May 27, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 

Cruft? Oh widgets.

You can add them if u wish, or not. Strip away that I mentioned was on the basis that most users have them to a degree, hence strip away. Or just not add them. At least there is a choice. Choice is the best choice. Not everyone wants what I want, or Bill, or Jack, or Apple. 



From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 
Who needs all that cruft. That's why I love the iPhone/iPad. No need to strip anything away. 

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  (   )    whiterabbit@gmail.com
.(     ).  Sent from my iPad mini

On May 27, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 
True, its the same with Android. A game is an icon on both. Strip away the widgety geeky homesceen they can use and you have rows of icos, like iOS. They use exactly the same UI, a grid.



From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 
iOS not intuitive? Watch any toddler and you'll see that they can use an iPad quicker than anything you give them. It's the older folks that either have the mind set they don't want to learn to use an iPad that try and get confused or, like my Dad, are afraid of breaking it by touching the wrong thing that has trouble learning how to use it. 

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  (   )    whiterabbit@gmail.com
.(     ).  Sent from my iPad mini

On May 27, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 
Intuitiive. 

iOS is not intuitive, as many on here have said. Not if you have not used it before. Android is the same, but IMO less so.

Throw away the widgets and you have the same platform design, icons in rows. The issue I see, is that Apple has restrictions or missing abilities, so you use teh home buttom a lot, and you cant easilty move in apps or in browser, or to and fro very easily. Home button over and over. Back button is bizarre. Its up here, or elsewher in iOS its doen there, or its nowhere. Its klunky to navigate, pure and simple.

I feel that there is a perception that Android is complex. It can be if u want, but its just the same ol rows of icons that we all know. You can keep it simple, but they have ease of use to move arounnd the OS, we have a home button

Topics like thiss always end up with bias and emotivemess. Less is more, but iOS is cripped to use, Home button to stop everything and start over. That needs to get to todays world.



From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 
You said it David.  Intuitive isn't a word I associate with Android.  I use to run Windows.  I got tired of "drilling down" through menu after menu to find things.  I don't want to go back.  Apple has shown that less is more. 

Question: How many people with Android phones really know how to use them vs. people with iPhones? 

\
  \   /\                Alice
  (   )    whiterabbit@gmail.com
.(     ).  Sent from my iPad mini

On May 26, 2013, at 7:44 PM, David Smith <david.smith.14916@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I don't know about Android.  I fiddled with someone's Android phone a few days ago.  No magic there, that I could see.  To each her own.

--
david@luda.net
pad4


On May 26, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 
I agree..

Look and feel changes are fine, but make them options, such as Themes.

When I see this going backwards look and feel, and admittance that the focus is on look and feel rather than features, I am a bit gobsmacked. No, I don't want a gazillion features adding pages galore in the Settings, but being intuituve and easy to use as where Android has got to, finally. Apple, you need to tap more, swipe more, and wear out the already poor Home button. While they are slow and behind, please keep adding the old and useful Android features as has been the case very very often in the past. Please dont only listen to the utterings of anti Apple syers saying the UI is old and boring, then make the UI look old and boring.

I see this as a turning point. When app devs are at the point in "ok, we now have to make all our apps have a WP version" what then?

Rant over



From: bj <bjones44@verizon.net>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 
Change for the sake of change, imposing your own stamp, because you can,
etc.

Dumbing down, dulling up, taking the real-world-look out of it...

I don't think much of the direction this style is taking, if the rumors to
turn out to be true....

But then, I'm certainly not in a demographic that they are aiming at, so
what I think doesn't matter, I'm just an old fogey who actually knows what a
pad of paper *looks* like (so I'm not confused by the representation of one
as a notes-app icon).
bj

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:24 PM
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

Dont follow your point

Are you referring to the dumbing down of the icons?

From: Blair Jones <bjones44@verizon.net>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

On the whole -- IMO, yuck.

Sounds like a lot of "now I'm in charge, so I'll make changes because I can,
not to make things better but so it'll be *my* system, and *my* system has
to be *different* from the old one no matter what."
bj

On May 26, 2013, at 8:18 PM, "Tony" <mailto:tdale%40xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> http://9to5mac..com/2013/05/24/jony-ives-new-look-for-ios-7-black-white-and-flat-all-over/#more-272277
>









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Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 

It's intuitive to me. To each their own. I've seen kids figure itout very fast and adults that don't. The difference is that the kids haven't had 20 years of an unintuitive windows UI burned into their skull. They are blank and can easily figure it out. Windows users, well, we simply feel sorry that the have twenty years of non intuitive windows clouding their judgement of what intuitive is

And I'm being a little cheeky here I know. To be fair Linux users and everyone but apple users may have a problem too. But kids find it extremely intuitive and they can't even balance a checkbook. 

~KLM
\\ "If people are not laughing at your goals, then they are too small" ~Azim Premji //

On May 27, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 

Intuitiive. 

iOS is not intuitive, as many on here have said. Not if you have not used it before. Android is the same, but IMO less so.

Throw away the widgets and you have the same platform design, icons in rows. The issue I see, is that Apple has restrictions or missing abilities, so you use teh home buttom a lot, and you cant easilty move in apps or in browser, or to and fro very easily. Home button over and over. Back button is bizarre. Its up here, or elsewher in iOS its doen there, or its nowhere. Its klunky to navigate, pure and simple.

I feel that there is a perception that Android is complex. It can be if u want, but its just the same ol rows of icons that we all know. You can keep it simple, but they have ease of use to move arounnd the OS, we have a home button

Topics like thiss always end up with bias and emotivemess. Less is more, but iOS is cripped to use, Home button to stop everything and start over. That needs to get to todays world.



From: "whiterabbit32@gmail.com" <whiterabbit32@gmail.com>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 
You said it David.  Intuitive isn't a word I associate with Android.  I use to run Windows.  I got tired of "drilling down" through menu after menu to find things.  I don't want to go back.  Apple has shown that less is more. 

Question: How many people with Android phones really know how to use them vs. people with iPhones? 

\
  \   /\                Alice
  (   )    whiterabbit@gmail.com
.(     ).  Sent from my iPad mini

On May 26, 2013, at 7:44 PM, David Smith <david.smith.14916@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I don't know about Android.  I fiddled with someone's Android phone a few days ago.  No magic there, that I could see.  To each her own.

--
david@luda.net
pad4


On May 26, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Tony <tdale@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 
I agree..

Look and feel changes are fine, but make them options, such as Themes.

When I see this going backwards look and feel, and admittance that the focus is on look and feel rather than features, I am a bit gobsmacked. No, I don't want a gazillion features adding pages galore in the Settings, but being intuituve and easy to use as where Android has got to, finally. Apple, you need to tap more, swipe more, and wear out the already poor Home button. While they are slow and behind, please keep adding the old and useful Android features as has been the case very very often in the past. Please dont only listen to the utterings of anti Apple syers saying the UI is old and boring, then make the UI look old and boring.

I see this as a turning point. When app devs are at the point in "ok, we now have to make all our apps have a WP version" what then?

Rant over



From: bj <bjones44@verizon.net>
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

 
Change for the sake of change, imposing your own stamp, because you can,
etc.

Dumbing down, dulling up, taking the real-world-look out of it...

I don't think much of the direction this style is taking, if the rumors to
turn out to be true..

But then, I'm certainly not in a demographic that they are aiming at, so
what I think doesn't matter, I'm just an old fogey who actually knows what a
pad of paper *looks* like (so I'm not confused by the representation of one
as a notes-app icon).
bj

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:24 PM
To: iPad@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

Dont follow your point

Are you referring to the dumbing down of the icons?

From: Blair Jones <bjones44@verizon.net>
To: "iPad@yahoogroups.com" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] 9to5Mac Article on iOS7

On the whole -- IMO, yuck.

Sounds like a lot of "now I'm in charge, so I'll make changes because I can,
not to make things better but so it'll be *my* system, and *my* system has
to be *different* from the old one no matter what."
bj

On May 26, 2013, at 8:18 PM, "Tony" <mailto:tdale%40xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> http://9to5mac..com/2013/05/24/jony-ives-new-look-for-ios-7-black-white-and-flat-all-over/#more-272277
>





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Re: [iPad] Camera shutter with left hand

 

 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 5/31/2013 4:09:12 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Camera shutter with left hand
 
 

Maybe try out other camera apps?
 
For example...

~KLM
\,,/ 01001100 01001111 01001100 \,,/

On May 31, 2013, at 12:42 PM, "Paul Ostrof" <postrof@comcast.net> wrote:

 

Greetings,
   I have lost the use of my right hand and, unfortunately, the camera shutter switch is on the right side in landscape and portrait mode.
   Is there a way in the OS or is there an app to move it to the left side?
 
                    Paul
 
 
 
 
 
> .. < > .. < > .. < > ..<
www.paulostrof.com
 
 

 




 
 







 

 

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