Actually YES. I don't see anything in my post that is incorrect
Everyone knows a DVR is an expensive box that has a HDD in it. My point was, Alice's ATV is effectively a DVR to all intents and purposes in terms of functionality. In todays internet world, who cares where the recorded content is? The modern day "DVR" has everything pre recorded for you.
-Slow internet connections are a thing of the past for many. Not all, but many. 3mbit is all you need or less.
-If a title was offered a week ago or longer and it is not there now, you cannot use a DVR to record it. Its not showing now
-IF THE APP offers it? If the title is also offered on linear TV. You can get more shows on SVOD than linear TV as linear TV is limited to 24 hours content per day
-SVOD devices do not need to record, the content is always there
-There is no guide, true, as there are no viewing times that you have to be aware of, viewing times in SVOD are anytime
-If a show is on Linear TV but not on an app, thats not relevant, there are many that are not in linear TV as linear TV is too limited time wise.
-If she uses FIOS, I gather thats fibre, it doesnt matter whether the internet is used or not.
Seems to me that linear TV is smaller and simpler, and she is used to it, and the shows she lies are there. With SVOD there will no doubt be many shows that she likes that are also there, or there and not on linear TV although she wont know that so she wont miss it.
DVR is simple and limited. SVOD, aka modern day DVR, is effectively unlimited, and also simple. A well as a guide, i.e. the list of all the programs by category, in an easy to view grid layout (there is little need for too much text as there is no timetable to have to worry about) many will suggest programs based on previous usage. You can bookmark them, you can bookmark a season(s).
Maybe its what she is used to. I have both. UHF HD DVR, Satellite STB DVR (PayTV), ATV4 that includes OD for my available channels, as well as other channels that do not exist on linear TV. Each is easy as the other
From: "Myrddin Wyllt myrddinwyllt1964@gmail.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2016 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Apple TV question
Actually NO. A DVR that records a show explicitly on a hard disk, maintains a list of them, and means you can replay the show without an internet connection, and from the hard disk at hard disk speed.
Try to play a show you have on an APP with no or a slow internet connection and you will find out that you have no control of what Apple TV, Roku or Fire TV keeps on your disk. Try to play the show that the App offered a week, month or year ago but does not anymore and you will realize it is a streaming device. With a DVR I can watch a show I recorded long ago, even if the app or Network is not contractually able to air that show anymore.
It means it records a show I am streaming. So if for example a show on ABC or HBO or Lifetime will come on at 8 pm on Tuesdays, I can tell the DVR to record it (and if I choose any subsequent episodes of that show). Then I can watch it anytime I feel like it even if the show is not on.. I can fast forward it through commercials. It does not use Internet Bandwidth and my ISP download speed (or being connected at all) is irrelevant because any show recorded plays from my hard disk.
Apple TV, Roku, Fire TV apps cannot record something per se, they can stream/download it, I can say watch a show IF THE APP OFFERS IT. I cannot record any show that shows up on Cable/Satellite/OTA/FIOS if the app does not offer it. There is no GUIDE and TV schedule to record from. If an app has commercials my Mom cannot FF through them (i.e. Hulu).
The App offerings are different than what the various providers offer I can DVR. Many shows and movies she DVRs from her provider do not exist in any apps.
As another example if I gave my Mom an Apple TV/Fire TV/Roku (she has all 3) it is useless to her mostly compared to her FIOS DVR (or my sister's Comcast DVR or our old Direct-TV Tivo DVR) because she has TONS of content she can record many of which is NOT available on Apps nor can she press record and then see it on a convenient list of all recorded shows. And when she watches her DVR shows the computers and devices in the house do not suddenly slow down their Internet tasks because we are sharing her download or streaming. Her hard disk plays those shows and no fresh internet bandwidth is used.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Tony tdale@xtra.co.nz [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
A DVR in your home records content you can watch later. The Apple TV has the sane capability, except all the shows are recorded for you to watch later. Same result, it doesnt really matter where the recording is, on your HDD or at Netflix servers. Either way its there, and you wont forget to record it as the SVOD provider has taken care of that.
From: "Myrddin Wyllt myrddinwyllt1964@gmail.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: iPad <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 11 December 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Apple TV question
The Apple TV is hardly a DVR in the sense that most DVRs are i.e. Tivo (OTA and providers) or the cable or FIOS or Satellite providers or Myth TV and the like.
DVRs imply you can record content and play it back any time.Apple TV and Roku and Fire TV are streaming video devices unless they have some apps I have never seen.I am not sure why you are saying that streaming devices are DVRs. Having worked with DVRs for over a decade I have found no capabilities I associate with a DVR on my Apple TV, Roku or Fire TV unless you know and can explain something I do not.On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Tony tdale@xtra.co.nz [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Alice already has a DVR, the Apple TV. It just happens that the recordings are located off site, a 2016 DVR, aka streaming and on demand
From: "'Rampant Badger' badger@rampantbadger.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Alice Saunders lwr32@mac.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Apple TV question
On 6 Dec 2016, at 13:08, Alice Saunders lwr32@mac.com [iPad] wrote:
> Yes but I need OnDemand because I work til midnight. ABC and CBS apps
> work well. Most of the rest want a provider.
If you have an OTA antenna already, you might want to look at obtaining
a Tablo [1]. It is a DVR that will record OTA channels, and might be
cheaper in the long run than CBS, etc. Plus, it can be watched on your
iPad/iPhone/Roku/whatever.
RB
[1] https://www.tablotv.com/
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