Re: [iPad] Apple TV question

 

I know what a DVR is.

So, your issue is twofold. Its about the availability of the content. Your desired contant is not in the SVOD world, so you have to use Live TV.
And you wish to hold this content forever, which you can do using HDD's

I am not aware that most people wish to watch content then keep it forever, maybe that's a US thing?

Do most people find that they need Live TV and that SVOD is very very lacking? It does seem to me that your use case and for your Mom is very niche, in that the vast majprity of content is not on SVOD

Internet. Ive been to the US many times, but I can't comment on how thw internet is there. I would have assumed that as I live in a small country, which is not friendly to widespread internet coverage, that the US would have far better coverage. Coverage as in decent internet at at least 10mbit, and more likely much much faster for many. In which case, for many, speed and congestion are not an issue.


From: "Myrddin Wyllt myrddinwyllt1964@gmail.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
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Sent: Monday, 12 December 2016 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [iPad] Apple TV question

 


On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Tony tdale@xtra.co.nz [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
80 shows doesnt seem much as you seem to keep a lot of content for a long time

Well you apparently do not know how most people who use them heavily do. They watch and delete Transient content (2 hours of Good Morning America every week day), new shows, older shows they watch once. They then keep shows for visitors. There is a lot of "churn" as we say in Databases. One keeps some small % of the shows till a guest sees them, and watches and deletes quite a bit. My Mom (and 3 other people in the house) may watch and delete 40-60 hours of TV a week but keep some for future guests or showing to family who may love that topic.

My Mom won't watch say the ABC World News at 6:30pm till 6:40pm or later when she is guaranteed to skip commercials then delete it quickly. So lots of churn daily shows are watched within that week and deleted quickly except for special saved stuff. Other household members watch Soap Operas a few days in a binge and delete the shows so only shows saved for others visiting are saved for any length of time.

And since "niche" content is SD the DVR could store 4 x in same storage space (320 hours of that or more on typical DVR). Its the new HiDef stuff that chews storage fast. Barnie Miller. David Frost re-runs, etc. take very little space to store.
 
Streaming devices can do some things DVR do and vice versa.
Well the streaming devices we are talking about (Apple, Fire TV, Roku) except via an App like Plex cannot deal with stored shows they stream mostly and store and flush as they need to.
 
Exactly. In terms of DVR your really talking Live TV? The DVR is the recording device , but your content seems old and/or niche, so its more a case that your niche content is not held by SVOD providers, and that you have to DVR. I would not expect and provider to hold everything forever. Live TV doesnt either, although you can with a HDD but again, you seem to want to keep everything forever, and IMHO, thats not a typical use case

The DVR yes I am talking live TV, Re-runs and a few hundred channels that have some content deals for new and old shows streaming providers do not yet. I actually tried to get several members of the house to try Roku/Apple TV/Fire TV only and they asked me almost immediately for many shows new and old I could not find as part of monthly fees of any streaming apps or network apps. Wish I could have and was constantly annoyed I could not.

 
It does not make them the same device.
My post to Alice didn't say they were the same device, I stated that to all intents and purposes they can be treated the same. Say I want to watch a Star Trek movie, its on LIVE TV and its on Hulu.. Does it matter much which one I use? I might have to wait for it to appear if its LIVE, maybe ts next week, SVOD its now. SVOD wont hold that movie forever, neither will LIVE TV. Your DVR can, but how many HDD's are you going to use?

If streaming device has content and TV/DVR does of course the streaming device is better if you don't mind the bandwidth downloading it when watching it more than once. And no SNL (Saturday Night Live), the network evening news, Soap Operas, BBC and BBC America shows, and many shows that are not streaming yet for example are not all niche content. In terms of keeping forever some shows get watched 15-30 minutes later or next day and FF through commercials.  

Streaming apps like NetFlix and Hulu and Amazon prime have some exclusive content TV viewers cannot see as well. Orange is the new Black, Hulu 11/22/63, Transparent, etc.

Of course, ideally people have both. But I just don't want someone confused that if they have Apple TV/Roku/Fire TV they then have no use for a DVR because those are often combined with content providers that many people want to see their shows.

Sports are not all available by streaming either YET. Sports nuts need DVRs and TV providers at the moment for quite a few sports.

My main point is depending on what a person wants to watch they may need a DVR+Provider in addition to a streaming solution. Most of the apps that provide parallel content are not always complete compared to full provider option and don't offer separate purchase yet instead demanding "proof of provider subscription" yes I can see App content once I prove I subscribe to a provider (and usually that means a DVR) and I cannot just buy access to that app directly.

And DVRs tend to be able to show content from HD regardless of Internet issues since it is hard disk and often COAX based. I certainly have run into streaming situations where I could not access content due to internet problems at provider (ISP or Netflix/Hulu/HBO servers) but could watch TV or DVR fine, 

 
GOT
HBO I assume has an app? Maybe not? If not, tough. They have the rights they can do what they like with them. So, if you pay for HBO LIVE TV you have it. There are also shows on Netflix that you cannot watch on LIVE TV, same reason. This is more case of the rightsholders affecting you or me, then SVOD vs LIVE TV. 

To someone expecting to watch a show they can't so yes I make that distinction. To be clear I have content provider + DVR and have about 3 dozen streaming apps loaded up (ABC, CBS, HBO, Showtime, Starz, Hulu, NetFlix, Crunchy Roll, SyFy channel, etc.) and when family and Mom and room-mates want to see shows and movies I often go on hunting expeditions across all my devices to find them so this subject is close to home.

Mom's favorite movie is Quiet Man w/John Wayne, one of her live in helpers wants me to get "Rhapsody in Blue", etc. I go on hunts for these movies routinely and decide whether I get on streaming via Amazon or Apple, watch in an app, or buy a BluRay or DVD and am often surprised by what I can and cannot get and for TV shows what seasons are and are not available. Gravity Falls Season 2 I had to get on Amazon Prime no DVD/BluRay release ever for example.
 

And if one is familiar with the full catalog of shows since TV and Movies were invented no, Apps and Sreaming Devices and Providers do not have the same availability,

Thats comms down to you harnessing what guys be many HDDs to store so much content. Assuming you have many HDD's and you keep atatchomg more, then off course you can outstrip the availability of SVOD. 

Content availability is higher except for streaming exclusives at the moment. But to the average person using an Apple TV or DVR the rights holder's contracts affect what they can see, and the style of storage (streaming vs. HD storage controlled by users) affects their houshold internet usage, so if one offers them a streaming device one cannot assume they will have the same experience as a DVR, and same options and content. In my Mom's house (my house she stays it but I live elsewhere) she has 3 live in helpers and sometimes they all 4 (Mom + 3) are playing DVR hiDef content. If they were all 4 streaming bandwidth would be congested appropriately.

Do BluRays and iPads and Apple TVs and DVRs all store streams to a hard disk "under the covers". Yes absolutely. But that does not a DVR make.

The Wiki entry for DVRs explains what DVRs are and basically does not include streaming devices. Notice also that most DVRs get the signal they record to hard disk from Coax thus not sharing Internet Bandwidth with other internet activity in house.




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