Friends Kingdom: Re: [iPad] The Web Is Dying; Apps Are Killing It

I just prefer the omnibar.

I was told corporate moves slowly. Here it is in *lack of* action lol

~Kris M.

\\ "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." ~Helen Keller //

On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Tony tdale@xtra.co.nz [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

LOL, really? You must be on a very old version. Therein is the problem.. Despite the IE dislike here, its just a browser, it browses like any other browser. I have no issues at work with IE, although I do quite like Safari on my Mac

From: "Just Murray krismurray@gmail.com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [iPad] The Web Is Dying; Apps Are Killing It - WSJ

The separate search box is annoying too.

~Kris M.
\\ "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." ~Helen Keller //

On Nov 23, 2014, at 5:11 PM, Myrddin Wyllt myrddinwyllt1964@gmail.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

And it has none of the superb add-ins like Lazarus and so many I cannot live without...

http://techsuperheroes.com/?p=44

And so fricking slow and prone to security breaches.

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Just Murray krismurray@gmail.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Lol a dinosaur that gets used because it's installed by default. I for one am not allowed to use any browser other than explorer at work. So a living dinosaur. It's a celocanth.

~Kris M.
\\ "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." ~Helen Keller //

On Nov 22, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Myrddin Wyllt myrddinwyllt1964@gmail.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

What are you living 15 years ago?

All us better programmers focus on FireFox and Chrome and HTML 5 standards. IE is a fricking dinosaur.

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:00 AM, Just Murray krismurray@gmail.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Lol
Ok. If all designers adhere to standards it all all good.

Like. Umm. Just design for internet explorer.

~Kris M.
\\ "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." ~Helen Keller //

On Nov 22, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Myrddin Wyllt myrddinwyllt1964@gmail.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The article is nonsense because thanks to webservice style programming architecture we can have apps on phone and tablets and PCs and browsers.

Pandora for example. These are not exclusive situations.

On Nov 21, 2014 12:46 PM, "Just Murray krismurray@gmail..com [iPad]" <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

If I design one good standard compliant web site then any standards compliant browser can access it and get its content how I desire it to be gotten. If o design the worlds best windows metro app instead then y'all don't get to see it and that's not open. That's killing the internet that we love. That's what was happening with explorer and why standards are important and that's what's dying with apps.

~Kris M.
\\ "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." ~Helen Keller //

On Nov 19, 2014, at 4:55 PM, David Smith david.smith.14916@gmail.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'd think it'd be much easier to design and maintain a good web site than a good app. It may be that apps are just a passing fad. I hope so.

- dspadair

On Nov 19, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Elaine Pollard elainepollard@gmail.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I guess I am an anomaly then, because I still use the Internet. I use apps mainly to get coupons or directions. I don't use Sprint's app (my carrier). I don't use Facebook's app, and rarely use youtube's app.

That's just me. Also, not everyone has a smartphone, so I don't think the Internet is going away in the next year or so.

Elaine

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:30 PM, David Smith david.smith.14916@gmail.com [iPad] <iPad@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what the author is saying.

Thoughts?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-web-is-dying-apps-are-killing-it-1416169934?mod=LS1&ref=/news/technology

The Web Is Dying; Apps Are Killing It

Phil Foster

The Web—that thin veneer of human-readable design on top of the machine babble that constitutes the Internet—is dying. And the way it's dying has farther-reaching implications than almost anything else in technology today.

Think about your mobile phone. All those little chiclets on your screen are apps, not websites, and they work in ways that are fundamentally different from the way the Web does.

Mountains of data tell us that, in aggregate, we are spending time in apps that we once spent surfing the Web. We're in love with apps, and they've taken over. On phones, 86% of our time is spent in apps, and just 14% is spent on the Web, according to mobile-analytics company Flurry.

This might seem like a trivial change. In the old days, we printed out directions from the website MapQuest that were often wrong or confusing. Today we call up Waze on our phones and are routed around traffic in real time. For those who remember the old way, this is a miracle.

Everything about apps feels like a win for users—they are faster and easier to use than what came before. But underneath all that convenience is something sinister: the end of the very openness that allowed Internet companies to grow into some of the most powerful or important companies of the 21st century.

Take that most essential of activities for e-commerce: accepting credit cards. When Amazon.com AMZN -1.46% made its debut on the Web, it had to pay a few percentage points in transaction fees. But Apple AAPL -0.17% takes 30% of every transaction conducted within an app sold through its app store, and "very few businesses in the world can withstand that haircut," says Chris Dixon, a venture capitalist at Andreessen Horowitz.

App stores, which are shackled to particular operating systems and devices, are walled gardens where Apple, Google, GOOGL -1.54% Microsoft MSFT -0.24% and Amazon get to set the rules. For a while, that meant Apple banned Bitcoin, an alternative currency that many technologists believe is the most revolutionary development on the Internet since the hyperlink. Apple regularly bans apps that offend its politics, taste, or compete with its own software and services.

But the problem with apps runs much deeper than the ways they can be controlled by centralized gatekeepers. The Web was invented by academics whose goal was sharing information. Tim Berners-Lee was just trying to make it easy for scientists to publish data they were putting together during construction of CERN, the world's biggest particle accelerator.

No one involved knew they were giving birth to the biggest creator and destroyer of wealth anyone had ever seen. So, unlike with app stores, there was no drive to control the early Web. Standards bodies arose—like the United Nations, but for programming languages. Companies that would have liked to wipe each other off the map were forced, by the very nature of the Web, to come together and agree on revisions to the common language for Web pages.

The result: Anyone could put up a Web page or launch a new service, and anyone could access it.. Google was born in a garage. Facebook FB -0.85% was born in Mark Zuckerberg 's dorm room.

But app stores don't work like that. The lists of most-downloaded apps now drive consumer adoption of those apps. Search on app stores is broken.

On phones, 86% of our time is spent in apps, and just 14% is spent on the Web, according to mobile-analytics company Flurry. Bloomberg News

The Web is built of links, but apps don't have a functional equivalent. Facebook and Google are trying to fix this by creating a standard called "deep linking," but there are fundamental technical barriers to making apps behave like websites.

The Web was intended to expose information. It was so devoted to sharing above all else that it didn't include any way to pay for things—something some of its early architects regret to this day, since it forced the Web to survive on advertising.

The Web wasn't perfect, but it created a commons where people could exchange information and goods. It forced companies to build technology that was explicitly designed to be compatible with competitors' technology. Microsoft's Web browser had to faithfully render Apple's website. If it didn't, consumers would use another one, such as Firefox or Google's Chrome, which has since taken over.

Today, as apps take over, the Web's architects are abandoning it.. Google's newest experiment in email nirvana, called Inbox, is available for both Android and Apple's iOS, but on the Web it doesn't work in any browser except Chrome. The process of creating new Web standards has slowed to a crawl. Meanwhile, companies with app stores are devoted to making those stores better than—and entirely incompatible with—app stores built by competitors.

"In a lot of tech processes, as things decline a little bit, the way the world reacts is that it tends to accelerate that decline," says Mr. Dixon. "If you go to any Internet startup or large company, they have large teams focused on creating very high quality native apps, and they tend to de-prioritize the mobile Web by comparison."

Many industry watchers think this is just fine. Ben Thompson, an independent tech and mobile analyst, told me he sees the dominance of apps as the "natural state" for software.

Ruefully, I have to agree. The history of computing is companies trying to use their market power to shut out rivals, even when it's bad for innovation and the consumer.

That doesn't mean the Web will disappear. Facebook and Google still rely on it to furnish a stream of content that can be accessed from within their apps. But even the Web of documents and news items could go away. Facebook has announced plans to host publishers' work within Facebook itself, leaving the Web nothing but a curiosity, a relic haunted by hobbyists.

I think the Web was a historical accident, an anomalous instance of a powerful new technology going almost directly from a publicly funded research lab to the public. It caught existing juggernauts like Microsoft flat-footed, and it led to the kind of disruption today's most powerful tech companies would prefer to avoid.

It isn't that today's kings of the app world want to quash innovation, per se. It is that in the transition to a world in which services are delivered through apps, rather than the Web, we are graduating to a system that makes innovation, serendipity and experimentation that much harder for those who build things that rely on the Internet. And today, that is pretty much everyone.

—Follow Christopher Mims on Twitter @Mims; write to him at christopher.mims@wsj.com.

- dspadair